Comments on y-intercept blog: Pragmatism is an Ideal

DL, the neocon articles were using the term "pragm...

2007-04-16T22:36:00.000-06:00

DL, the neocon articles were using the term "pragmatic" and "practicality" and not the word "pragmatism." The articles have the long rant against ideology; then end with statements about how we must be pragmatic.

My guess is that the neocons want to disassociate their philosophy from John Dewey.

The central theme of Dewey is that you do and say whatever is expedient to get into power, then go from there. Switching from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party was the path to power in the late 70s and 80s. Now that the tides have turned, it will be interesting to see how many of them switch back.

The University Channel has a massive 10 hour podcast on the Public Interest. These people say neoconservativism is primarily about social policy and not foreign policy. They also tend to claim that they were taking the middle, pragmatic road. All the neoncon's I've known personally called themselves pragmatists.

It's always easy to win an argument when you tell ...

2007-04-16T12:11:00.000-06:00

It's always easy to win an argument when you tell your opponents what they think.

You appear to be fighting a battle of your own inv...

2007-04-15T21:15:00.000-06:00

You appear to be fighting a battle of your own invention.

The neocon invasion of Iraq has nothing whatever to do with pragmatism, it has to do with imperialism - that's the ideal of the neocons that they pursue in spite of the all facts to the contrary and the failure of their efforts to produce the results they want.

BTW, this post was inspired by an empassioned plea...

2007-04-15T12:58:00.000-06:00

BTW, this post was inspired by an empassioned plea to pragmatism from a neocon who favored skirting the ideals of international law for a unilateral invasion of Iraq.

It is this idiotic ideal that results matter more than ideals that the administration keeps doing things like supporting torture, landmine production and other idiocies.

The point of my post is that one cannot position pragmatism as an alternative to ideals. Positioning pragmatism as an alternative to ideals ends up creating a nihilistic ideology.

Being pragmatic in the the definition of our ideals and judging the affects of our actions against reality is the height of reason.

The classical liberal tradition has a very good notion of the role ideals play in society. The modern liberal tradition (Marxism and beyond) has the whole thing muddled.

Genocide is never moral. It may work sometimes, b...

2007-04-15T09:40:00.000-06:00

Genocide is never moral. It may work sometimes, but it is never moral. I agree that one needs moral values, but they do not have to be a rigid ideology. I do not advocate pragmatism as an ideology, but as a method to test the effectiveness of an ideology at solving the problems it purports to solve within the moral framework claimed by its proponents.

Morality is based on defined ideals.

Genoci...

2007-04-14T22:37:00.000-06:00

Morality is based on defined ideals.

Genocide works. When the genocide is done, your enemies are all dead. The spoils of war are yours to redistribute.

Genocide only fails when you judge it against the ideals of civilization.

To be able to judge what works or fails, you have to have a set of ideals in place to judge the outcome.

Pragmatism as an ideology is seductive because it nullifies itself. When you make the self-referential paradox the center of your thinking, you develop the illusion that you have a short cut to a promising future when you really have little more than an intellectual mush that lets you justify your desire while bowling over inconvenient truths.

Unfortunately, the alternative takes a lot effort to work through. To work on the alternative view, you have to understand what ideals are, you have to understand logic and you have to be willing to accept that the path people want to follow to power may not be the best path to follow. The classical liberal tradition was on this path. The modern tradition threw us off course.

1. Pragmatism is not in the eye of the beholder. ...

2007-04-14T20:02:00.000-06:00

1. Pragmatism is not in the eye of the beholder. There is evidence after awhile to prove that one's idea works or fails.

2. No one advocates slavery or genocide as pragmatic methods because they are morally wrong and they don't work. That's simply a bogus argument.

3. What exactly is your counter to pragmatism in politics? Do you have one, or do you just like to twist other people's ideas?

(Just doing my other job of correcting other people's blogs.)