<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post2984997404401400021..comments</id><updated>2008-10-11T11:25:58.510-06:00</updated><category term='education'/><category term='myth'/><category term='progressivism'/><category term='discourse'/><category term='utah'/><category term='books'/><category term='rights'/><category term='immigration'/><category term='shopping'/><category term='change'/><category term='community'/><category term='competition'/><category term='garden'/><category term='environment'/><category term='colorado'/><category term='alternative energy'/><category term='debate'/><category term='parks'/><category term='evolution'/><category term='product'/><category term='salt lake city'/><category term='election 2008'/><category term='taxes'/><category term='hiking'/><category term='affiliate'/><category term='planning'/><category term='tips'/><category term='projection'/><category term='computer'/><category term='attempt at humor'/><category term='internet'/><category term='un'/><category term='tea party'/><category term='dining'/><category term='fisa'/><category term='coins'/><category term='microstock'/><category term='blogs'/><category term='Constitution'/><category term='science'/><category term='shorting'/><category term='math'/><category term='business'/><category term='mideast'/><category term='java'/><category term='law'/><category term='logic'/><category term='perspective'/><category term='php'/><category term='paradox'/><category term='programming'/><category term='politics'/><category term='culture'/><category term='shared equity financing'/><category term='music'/><category term='nullification'/><category term='reason'/><category term='witch hunt'/><category term='progressive science'/><category term='philosophy'/><category term='property rights'/><category term='rich theory'/><category term='book'/><category term='propaganda'/><category term='state&apos;s rights'/><category term='photo'/><category term='economics'/><category term='housing'/><category term='denver'/><category term='twitter'/><category term='textbooks'/><category term='dialectics'/><category term='healthcare'/><category term='html'/><category term='insurance'/><category term='mathematics'/><category term='flowers'/><category term='debt'/><category term='web sites'/><category term='health'/><category term='capitalism'/><category term='lds'/><title type='text'>Comments on y-intercept blog: Disciplined Shorts</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/feeds/2984997404401400021/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html'/><author><name>y-intercept</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03389285761013186443</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_xy5TMR1KDV8/SHhxfNRD9ZI/AAAAAAAAAAM/KZNsVHtLrGo/S220/DCP_7611.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>8</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-992014185741050875</id><published>2008-10-11T11:25:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-10-11T11:25:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Correction to the above comment: there's no need t...</title><content type='html'>Correction to the above comment: there's no need to assign shares between brokers and clients. The client sells any shares they own themselves and the broker simultaneously sells the shares that were bought on margin, and must credit the account of the client in cash for that. If shares can't be located or borrowed or w/e the broker will have to fork out cash from reserve until they can get those shares and sell them. If price goes down in the mean time, tough noogies. I guess brokers would have to charge a higher interest rate on margin for stocks that are difficult to borrow. Though statistically the expected net change from selling it at a later time should be very close to zero, but it does impose a risk.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/992014185741050875'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/992014185741050875'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1223745900000#c992014185741050875' title=''/><author><name>yonil</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13327703507623426229</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1357774943'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-8083375656028509770</id><published>2008-10-11T11:09:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-10-11T11:09:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Having thought this over, while the system I have ...</title><content type='html'>Having thought this over, while the system I have outlined can be implemented properly, it will still not address one core issue, which defeats the entire purpose of the design.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;How do we ensure delivery of stock outside the exchange?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If an investor buys stock from a broker even in a cash-only account, what keeps the broker from lending out those shares for short-term shorting purposes? in fact, share pools of unlimited size can be created privately without any regulation being able to track it all just like in the existing system.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As we should all know by now, merely writing a law against such practice will be completely ineffective. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The only way this could still work is if clients of brokerages could be able to query the exchange for a transaction log specific to their account, and verify that the broker has indeed assigned them the shares they bought with cash. When you sell the stock, your account would then assign these shares back to the broker and only then the sell order could be processed. Brokers would not be able to lend these shares because they don't have access to the account you made with the exchange.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In this system, brokerages would still be useful for providing margin, streamlined share loaning services, charts, news feed and so on.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Note that this means the exchange must be aware of any and all holders of stock around the world, and all shares ever assigned (or traded privately outside the exchange). Possibly millions of people and companies. Though this a non trivial task, it should be possible with the kind of computing power that's available today. That's the only way we can make it work fairly.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/8083375656028509770'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/8083375656028509770'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1223744940000#c8083375656028509770' title=''/><author><name>yonil</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13327703507623426229</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1357774943'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-3924941664856028803</id><published>2008-10-11T05:07:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-10-11T05:07:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>This is an excellent proposal and should be implem...</title><content type='html'>This is an excellent proposal and should be implemented in all major exchanges.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One counter argument to this you're likely to hear is that it makes short selling mechanically more difficult to execute, and thus "reduces market efficiency" yadda yadda.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I've given it some thought, and even under these rules we can make short selling almost as easy as in the present system, but still disciplined. Here's how it could work:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- An insurance company could, at their own discretion, produce promissory notes on behalf of short selling clients who wish to borrow shares. It would charge interest on this service, based on the client's credit rating or any other metric. &lt;BR/&gt;  &lt;BR/&gt;Those promissory notes would still not be real stock, but they would be safer and easier for share lenders to work with, because they are standardized.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- An organization (like the DTCC) could be entrusted with managing share lending transactions. The lenders would deposit their shares there; the organization would then lend shares from the pool of shares in deposit, in exchange for standard promissory notes produced by the above insurance company.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- lenders would get interest payments that are multiplied by the average utilization of the share deposit pool. If there is no demand for share loans, they should not get money simply for making these available. This will make the size of the pool self-regulating.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- Short sellers looking to open a position could attempt to loan shares from the pool. If it is exhausted, tough break.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- Short sellers who wish to cover their position buy shares from the open market and then deliver them back to the pool. Easy enough.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- When a lender wishes to withdraw the amount of shares they deposited previously, they would get shares from the pool. If the pool is exhausted, then either&lt;BR/&gt;(i) the lender will have to wait in a queue until enough new shares are deposited, (again, tough break), or (ii) the organization will immediately buy shares from the open market, deliver them back to the lender, and wait until it can acquire shares from the pool to sell in order until it reduces its position to zero (this would take precedence over borrow request). That would mean the organization would have to be backed by a large cash reserve and insured against a "run on the bank" so to speak.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;- The voting power of the lender = Amount of shares lent * (1 - current utilization of share pool). If the pool is 70% in use, each of the lenders would have only 30% of their usual voting power; the other 70% votes would come from owners of shares bought from the short sellers that have borrowed from the pool.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/3924941664856028803'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/3924941664856028803'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1223723220000#c3924941664856028803' title=''/><author><name>yonil</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13327703507623426229</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1357774943'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-1778174452800590683</id><published>2008-09-26T10:56:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-09-26T10:56:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks for pointing out that strategies must be ma...</title><content type='html'>Thanks for pointing out that strategies must be matched to scope to be effective.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If the market is geared to traders rather than producers, there is something going on that is screwing up the incentives in the system.  Messed up incentives cause skewed market behavior.  The policies that are responsible for improper incentives need to be rectified.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/1778174452800590683'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/1778174452800590683'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1222448160000#c1778174452800590683' title=''/><author><name>Reach Upward</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11831447472339880148</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/american-flag-2a.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1662686316'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-4281324412827337063</id><published>2008-09-23T21:33:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-09-23T21:33:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>The method is valuable when done on a small scale....</title><content type='html'>The method is valuable when done on a small scale. When done on a large scale, the feedback loop created by the strategy destroys the strategy.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The problem is that the market seems geared toward the desires of the traders and not the desires of the builders in our society.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/4281324412827337063'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/4281324412827337063'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1222227180000#c4281324412827337063' title=''/><author><name>y-intercept</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03389285761013186443</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='09118802709738905376'/><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_xy5TMR1KDV8/SHhxfNRD9ZI/AAAAAAAAAAM/KZNsVHtLrGo/S220/DCP_7611.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1629704872'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-925380602066321073</id><published>2008-09-23T20:18:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-09-23T20:18:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>I once had a finance professor that was a day trad...</title><content type='html'>I once had a finance professor that was a day trader.  He frequently took short positions, although, that was a small portion of his portfolio.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But what you write about hedge funds reminds me of him.  He was a 'technical trader.'  He didn't know squat about most of the companies in which he held positions.  Frequently he only knew their stock ticker symbols.  Instead, he followed their performance on charts.  He bought and sold per formulation.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He contended that this still provided market information, because it was based on proven mathematical formulas that had a good track record of predicting actual fundamentals.  I'm not sure that I buy his argument, but I'm also not sure that it is complete horse hockey either.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/925380602066321073'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/925380602066321073'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1222222680000#c925380602066321073' title=''/><author><name>Reach Upward</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11831447472339880148</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/american-flag-2a.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1662686316'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-7219320510652321764</id><published>2008-09-22T19:08:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-09-22T19:08:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Unfortunately, the hedge funds taking massive long...</title><content type='html'>Unfortunately, the hedge funds taking massive long term short positions aren't really looking at the fundamentals of a company. They are looking internally at their mathematical formulas that says they must have this type of derivative to offset that type of derivative so that they have their risk hedged.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This hedging is muddling the real fundamental information about the health of companies. The dynamics of the stock market these &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;"The second an investor lends shares to a short, they are no longer an investor owning a piece of a company. They are a speculator playing a funny money game of chicken with a short seller."</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/7219320510652321764'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/7219320510652321764'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1222132080000#c7219320510652321764' title=''/><author><name>y-intercept</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03389285761013186443</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='09118802709738905376'/><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_xy5TMR1KDV8/SHhxfNRD9ZI/AAAAAAAAAAM/KZNsVHtLrGo/S220/DCP_7611.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1629704872'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2305244152102400599</id><published>2008-09-22T15:23:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-09-22T15:23:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Gordon Crovitz argues in &lt;a href="http://online.ws...</title><content type='html'>Gordon Crovitz argues in &lt;A HREF="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122204237577161317.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;this WSJ article&lt;/A&gt; that the hedge funds had better information about the actual value of instruments, thanks in part to restrictions created during the Eliot Spitzer era in New York.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If the hedge funds knew the actual value was lower than the current market price, a long-term short position probably made sense, as they waited for the other shoe to drop.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I do agree that ownership of any share should always be fully transparent and that 'owners' of loaned shares should be treated as owners of a promissory note rather than owners of the loaned shares.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/2305244152102400599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/2984997404401400021/comments/default/2305244152102400599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html?showComment=1222118580000#c2305244152102400599' title=''/><author><name>Reach Upward</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11831447472339880148</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/american-flag-2a.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.yintercept.com/2008/09/disciplined-shorts.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5090403.post-2984997404401400021' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5090403/posts/default/2984997404401400021' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1662686316'/></entry></feed>
